inDesign Magazine layout please help!!!

[xrsixturbo]

Hey guys

I am doing a magazine layout for a perfect bind magazine.

I want to be able to view the pages side by side.
All the pages are a4 with 5mm bleed around.

The problem I am having is that when I create a document as facing pages there is no bleed between the left and right pages- prefect bind need pages to have bleed as that inner part will be glued to the spine.

Please see image

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7496/perfectboundindesignprorb3.jpg

Does anyone know how this can be setup properly

[bjs1965]

Your printer's imposition software will take care of this for you ... I have worked in prepress for a long time and have never heard of anyone asking for (or providing) single pages with bleed on both sides for a perfect bound book.

You just create your book as you would for a "normal" saddle-stitched magazine, as double-page facing page spreads. Your artwork can straddle the spine with no issues whatsoever.

[DCurry]

Xrsixturbo, you're right in setting the bleed into the spine. If you give it to the printer as facing pages, the printer will have to break pages apart to allow for bleed into the grindoff area, unless everything that touches the spine actually crosses over to the next page, in which case the image would simply continue. The problem comes in when an element comes right up to the spine, but doesn't cross it. Impo software cannot create bleed - it just works with what you give it.

Unfortunately, I can't think of a way that you can do that as well as keep it facing pages at the same time, short of designing it with facing pages and then breaking them apart before you send it off.

[Len Zigante]

In order to use facing pages your bleeds along the spine will consist of what is on the opposite page. Hopefully the elements on your pages will accomodate this. If not you will have to turn off facing pages which will play havoc with your layout if you need to insert pages and your inside/outside margins are not identical.

However there is an alternative solution that will allow you to use facing pages. In your Pages palette, select all your pages (or those that come up against the spine) and turn OFF "allow pages to shuffle". Then using the pages palette select those pages that will butt up against the spine and pull them over a bit to the left or right until they detach from their facing page. This will give you the bleed you are looking for (provided your master page elements are setup so there is a bleed). Be aware tho that this method is NOT very friendly to your layout if you need to add, move, or remove pages that cause pages to flip sides.

Hope this helps.
Len

[eugenetyson]

All perfect bound books should be set up as facing pages. Simply because the page will go about 5mm into the spine away where it is glued, so you don't need bleed. Look at any magazine where the fold on the front cover is. As long as your image goes to the edge of the page then it's fine.

If you're magazine or book was going to be wirobound then you would need bleed on each page because the page will be trimmed on all sides, so you just need to set it up as single pages.

Most imposition software (infact all of them) should allow for this, it took our print manager about a year to understand why some of the pages didn't bleed into the spine as much as he wanted to on the plates, the answer was it didn't have to.

[The Repro Kid]

There are times when you might need bleeds on all sides of the pages for perfect bind. The book or magazine might be imposed into signature sheet sizes for high quality printing on litho presses, in which case the stripper would traditionally need the bleed to help build the flats more easily, although the window on the flat won't be opened up to let the bleed print.

[Lou Wrench]

Have you looked up "Perfect bound" in the help menu under "Printing/printing booklets/Spacing, bleed etc.
You may find what you need here.
Lou