Spread and slug?

[toddmay]

I am printing a book that is final page size of 8.375 x 11 but is being bound into a portfolio that is a post and hinge with a .875 area need for the hinge. So in ID CS2 I setup the document to be 8.375 x 11 with a .125 bleed and a slug area inside of .875. Now the problem arises when I export the pages out as PDFs and include trim, bleed and crop marks, there is no marks in the slug area to help guide the trimming of that edge. Also any photos that are run across two pages, I would think, would have an even amount of them put in the slug area to cover for the hinge area. This is not the case. It seems like all my left hand pages,( even numbered) are short on the image while the right hand pages extend the image across the slug area fine.
So, How do I fix the left hand pages and how do i get a crop mark into the slug area?
Thanks
Todd

[eugenetyson]

Ensure your bleed area exceeds your slug area in measurement.

[toddmay]

Well i only specified a bleed on three sides. not the hinge side. Is that what will fix it?
Todd

[eugenetyson]

I'm not entirely 100% sure of your setup but as a guess I would say maybe. It's worth a try. Usually you would specify bleed equally on all sides, except on special print jobs etc.

[The Repro Kid]

I am printing a book that is final page size of 8.375 x 11 but is being bound into a portfolio that is a post and hinge with a .875 area need for the hinge. So in ID CS2 I setup the document to be 8.375 x 11 with a .125 bleed and a slug area inside of .875. Now the problem arises when I export the pages out as PDFs and include trim, bleed and crop marks, there is no marks in the slug area to help guide the trimming of that edge. Also any photos that are run across two pages, I would think, would have an even amount of them put in the slug area to cover for the hinge area. This is not the case. It seems like all my left hand pages,( even numbered) are short on the image while the right hand pages extend the image across the slug area fine.
So, How do I fix the left hand pages and how do i get a crop mark into the slug area?
Thanks
ToddThe slug area is not part of the document. The slug area is to provide an area beyond the document trim marks, in order to allow the placing of your company's individual slug line, and to allow the slug line to print when outputting. the slug area should be large enough to accommodate both the bleed amount and the amount required by the slug line, without the slug line encroaching on the bleed.

Here's a screen shot of a document with bleed and slug and the slug line in place.

[eugenetyson]

Echo echo echo echo

Only joking. Yeh cool, I don't worry about slug anymore. Usually I just ensure that the information is stuck right onto the job spec like nobodies business. Sometimes printers just don't look at slugs. But if it's on the job doc and estimation then you've got a comeback if the job comes back.

[eugenetyson]

Isn't it weird that 3/4 of the design is text, but all that people see and read is the front. 3/4 of the packaging is information, and it's the 1/4 that sells. Astonishing.

[The Repro Kid]

Ensure your bleed area exceeds your slug area in measurement.

:confused: Huh? The slug area creates an area that would not print otherwise. It is a way to allow items positioned off the page to print when normally they would be cutoff. The slug area is not affected by the bleed area, and the slug area obviously needs to be larger than the bleed area to be of any real use. :confused:

It seems the original post wants to include the slug in the document, as it it were a margin.

Toddmay, Bleed and slug measurements are both a way of organizing and controlling items that print off the page.

If the page is to be printed and cut at 8.375+.875 x 11 then that is the size (9.25x11) you need to make you document pages in order for the crops to work. You don't use the slug area as part of the document, see comments above, and in my previous post, about the purpose of the slug line settings. Use facing pages and set up the inner margins at .875 each to act as guides for the hinge area in your layout. If you don't want to use facing pages then use A and B masters.

If you decide you'll also need crops to indicate the hinge area, then you will have to place them manually. But manual crops won't print beyond the bleed margins so then you'll have to increase the height of the bleed to accommodate the height of the manual marks, or you can use the slug margin settings to allow the manual crop marks to print, either one will work.

[eugenetyson]

Yes, I see what you mean Repro. I admit I got ahead of myself. What's the deal when you go to print so, there's a Bleed and Slug area in the Marks and Bleeds section but you highlight that and then you have to select to include the slug also? Is it not enough to just put info in the bleed area? Or should the slug be outside the bleed area. Not a huge fan of slugs, I never use them, I usually just put extra information in the bleed area, perhaps I have a bad habit here.

[toddmay]

Thank you for your help i will set the page up with the margin for the hinge area.
Thank you
Todd

[TORCH511]

And I always thought a Slugline was just another name for the checkout line at Walmart

Go Figure

[The Repro Kid]

Yes, I see what you mean Repro. I admit I got ahead of myself. What's the deal when you go to print so, there's a Bleed and Slug area in the Marks and Bleeds section but you highlight that and then you have to select to include the slug also? Is it not enough to just put info in the bleed area? Or should the slug be outside the bleed area. Not a huge fan of slugs, I never use them, I usually just put extra information in the bleed area, perhaps I have a bad habit here.Eugene, slug info is not used on the printing side so much, as it needs to be deleted in pre-press in order to prep the file. Putting info needed in the bleed area is okay as long as you know the info won't show after the page is trimmed. I wouldn't put info in the bleed of a magazine because the trimming requires more tolerance. Slugs are used mostly in the design studio, where some large companies can have dozens, hundreds, or thousands of similar of files, these files often circulate through the art dept, proofreading, regulatory, etc., for approval and signatures, and the slug info becomes an important part of the job tracking, checking, and approval process. It's not uncommon for art dept in a design studio to print as many as 6 or more copies of every file they finalize, to distribute to the various approval depts, so the slug info keeps everything on track. Pre-press requires that the slug be gotten rid of, but the original file should with slug intact should be kept with the job, so if problems arises, design can verify with pre-press that the correct file is being used. A slug area, by definition, lays outside of the bleed, only because the bleed should have nothing else interfering with it, including crops and targets.

[Paul C]

That's exactly how I use the slug - informational only.

Or if I get really mad at someone…:)

pbc